Curse

BigTru · Jul 15, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

It seems like everyone has the same perception of Warriors.

Everybody seems to knock us; They say all of us are dumb noobs; that our jobs just to stand around and do nothing; that we are bad for PvP; that our damage is horrible; claiming just how easily we can be countered.

In spite of this, I'd just like to show a little warrior pride. Others may hate us, but most of us know that we can make just as much of an effect on the battle field as any other profession, PvE and PvP. I'm not going to go into detail of this, though...

WARRIOR PIRDE FOREVER!

Muffles 12 · Jul 15, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

I love my warrior, even though im not that far with him, but he is great and i was supprised at the damage he takes and dishes out.

WARRIORS FOREVER!

Malchiel · Jul 15, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by BigTru

It seems like everyone has the same perception of Warriors.

Everybody seems to knock us; They say all of us are dumb noobs; that our jobs just to stand around and do nothing; that we are bad for PvP; that our damage is horrible; claiming just how easily we can be countered.

In spite of this, I'd just like to show a little warrior pride. Others may hate us, but most of us know that we can make just as much of an effect on the battle field as any other profession, PvE and PvP. I'm not going to go into detail of this, though...

WARRIOR PIRDE FOREVER!

In PvE warriors are actually quite strong. It's in PvP that they lose out to other classes.

Why? Because in PvE, you got all these dumb mobs, that just like to fight melee vs. a warrior.

Because in PvE, mobs don't usually bring counters vs. warriors as much as they counter casters. Ie: strip enchants, interrupts, knockdowns. Those are all anti caster skills more than anti wars.

Few mobs use blind, few use cripple, imaginery burden or enfeebling blood. Those that use them are actually lower level mobs. Later on, pretty much all mobs are caster-hate.

In PvE though, many players are smarter. They kite, you, they dot you and the rest of the good stuf, which nullifies a warriors primary strengths namely: Armor.

Why a good caster, can bring a warrior down in no time.

FYI I play a warrior too. And no matter how hard I tried, I just can't make him nearly as good as a caster or heck even ranger, in doing one thing.

eg. Rangers can do more damage than warriors from a distance. Rangers can tank better than a warrior, due to stances and their self survival skills.

Bottom line is: Warriors are weak. You can be good, but never as good.

cup-o-noodles · Jul 15, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Like all the non warriors I don't think we dish much damage either. But then I'm not a warrior to be mr. super ub3r 1337. I'm playing a warrior because that's the class that interests me most.(and I love swords, they're awsome) It just sucks to get nocked by other players because I'm playing what I think is cool. Thankfully I haven't had people decline me from being in a party yet.

Yeah WARRIOR PIRDE FOREVER!

QuixotesGhost · Jul 15, 2005, 04:23 AM // 04:23

I like warriors becuase they're the class people run from.

Deviant · Jul 15, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I think no matter what profession you choose, somebody is going to talk some smack about you. I think it comes down to personal style, and what gameplay you enjoy most. As long as you're 1) having fun, and 2) benefiting your team by reasonably skillful play, it's fine in my book. Every profession has its pros and cons. I know I certainly don't choose my characters for their cons.

Malchiel · Jul 15, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Deviant

I think no matter what profession you choose, somebody is going to talk some smack about you. I think it comes down to personal style, and what gameplay you enjoy most. As long as you're 1) having fun, and 2) benefiting your team by reasonably skillful play, it's fine in my book. Every profession has its pros and cons. I know I certainly don't choose my characters for their cons.

The thing is I play a warrior. I even spent most of my gold on him, to get him only the best equipment. The thing is, I really enjoy playing a warrior. And they look cool.

However I just can't deny that my warrior is comparatively weaker than all the other classes. Btw I play a necro, a mezmer, an ele. All these other classes can easily chew my warrior alive.

What's important is to acknowledge that warriors are gimped. And they need some serious counters vs all the other classes.

aB- · Jul 15, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

In PvE a warrior is more of a tank than anything in the later stages of the game. The only place where they can dominate damage-wise is earlier levels and stages of the game.

derrtyboy69 · Jul 15, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

i have had no problems as a warrior, and i love them. its almost necassary for any HoH group to have 1 (im always the only one for my groups). we can knock ppl down, or with axes we can go crazy on ppl with the right skills and buffs. i think a warrior can do great damage, and i can kill a caster in only a few seconds

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 15, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

I love my warrior, and im proud to say ive never ran into a mob.. half the time i stand back while other people fooleshly run into mobs and i have a little popcorn with the monks and eles and wait for them to die and learn their lesson.. although im more necro than warrior.. oh well, go me!.. and all other warriors

cup-o-noodles · Jul 15, 2005, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

The thing is I play a warrior. I even spent most of my gold on him, to get him only the best equipment. The thing is, I really enjoy playing a warrior. And they look cool.

However I just can't deny that my warrior is comparatively weaker than all the other classes. Btw I play a necro, a mezmer, an ele. All these other classes can easily chew my warrior alive.

What's important is to acknowledge that warriors are gimped. And they need some serious counters vs all the other classes.

That is exactly how I feel. I just plain old seriously like warriors. But, I have to admit they aren't as great as they could be, and aren't really good against any of the other classes.

Malchiel · Jul 15, 2005, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

i have had no problems as a warrior, and i love them. its almost necassary for any HoH group to have 1 (im always the only one for my groups). we can knock ppl down, or with axes we can go crazy on ppl with the right skills and buffs. i think a warrior can do great damage, and i can kill a caster in only a few seconds

May be that particular caster is actually an anti caster? Or perhaps the caster wasn't a very good one to begin with?

There's no way a warrior can bring down an ilussionist. Imaginery burdens and lotsa hex. Coupled with distortion, you might as well be hitting thin air.

A warrior can't take down an earth ele.

An air ele will blind and kill the warrior first before he can even lay a finger on him.

A warrior can beat a smiting monk to death and manage to only get himself killed.

A warrior don't have the needed damage to really kill a monk.

A ranger will pin him down and the poor warriors will start sprouting feathers and gushing poison.

The necro will think a warrior is food. All those shadow damage and dots? The warrior might as well have walked into the fight naked.

DrSLUGFly · Jul 15, 2005, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I don't play a warrior, and noobs come in all classes. I accept that my monk has a job which is to heal people. I accept that my ele has a job which is to do sweet bomb dmg. I also understand that warriors have a job, which is akin to being a bodyguard. No class is very useful on its own and each class has a solid way to contribute (I didn't mention necro/mesmer/ranger because I don't yet have characters of significant level for those classes)

Moofoo Pork · Jul 15, 2005, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Every class is essential- Warriors give decent damage, and take most of the damage so that everyone else can do their job (Eles dish out big dmg, monks keep every1 alive, mesmers anticast and etc, necros... umm do what they do, and rangers provide more constant damage, condition suffering and spirits.

Without a warrior(s) to take a load of damage, every1 else is dead. (Although some all *class* builds may find ways to survive)

^ thats my opinion

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 15, 2005, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

May be that particular caster is actually an anti caster? Or perhaps the caster wasn't a very good one to begin with?

There's no way a warrior can bring down an ilussionist. Imaginery burdens and lotsa hex. Coupled with distortion, you might as well be hitting thin air.

A warrior can't take down an earth ele.

An air ele will blind and kill the warrior first before he can even lay a finger on him.

A warrior can beat a smiting monk to death and manage to only get himself killed.

A warrior don't have the needed damage to really kill a monk.

A ranger will pin him down and the poor warriors will start sprouting feathers and gushing poison.

The necro will think a warrior is food. All those shadow damage and dots? The warrior might as well have walked into the fight naked.

well you have to remeber, they have another class, i can think of some good ways to combat all that.. for example: Air ele blinds me, no problem, plague touch the ele and say hello to darkness

BigTru · Jul 15, 2005, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Most people will claim how easy it is to counter a warrior (blind, stances, etc, etc.), but most fail to see how easily these counters our countered. Infact, almost every counter there is for warrior, a warrior has a way to fix it.

I know I don't dish out the "uber" damage, but that's simply because I feel it's more important not for a PvP warrior to concentrate on doing high damage, but decent damage while countering anything that can be thrown at him, or helping the team by knocking people down =D

I don't feel the need to explain why I think Warriors are good in both PvP and PvE - I know what I'm capable of and I know that not everyone can play a Warrior (well). I don't think other classes take any more or any less skill (except mabey Mesmer and Monk).

Malchiel · Jul 15, 2005, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Moofoo Pork

Every class is essential- Warriors give decent damage, and take most of the damage so that everyone else can do their job

Cept that PvP, nobody, I mean nobody, attacks the warriors first =_= Those that do usually don't usually wins at any rate.

So let's see, warriors do NOT tank in PvP.

They do NOT deal nearly as much damage as the other classes.

They do NOT shut down as well as the mezmers, even if you have a big honking hammer.

They do NOT heal others

They do NOT kill a monk healing ability, the way the necros do. 90% less healing anyone?

The only thing that a warrior can do is probably rez a fallen team member, since they usually die last and that's it. How do you like that? That's about the one role I can think of a warrior can play better than other classes in a large PvP fight. In a small PvP fight? Uh... well any other class pretty much owns a warrior 1 on 1.

Racthoh · Jul 15, 2005, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

well you have to remeber, they have another class, i can think of some good ways to combat all that.. for example: Air ele blinds me, no problem, plague touch the ele and say hello to darkness

Really in general the warrior's secondary determines whether or not he could take down another class. I could imagine any spell caster would cry when they can't hit a w/mo for 5 seconds if he was using Spellbreaker. More than enough time to cripple them and beat them down.

Ranger cripples you, you whip out a bow and cripple back. Then throw on Sprint or Charge and make him cry. Or take the chance of one of several stances that have a 75% chance to block attacks.

A dedicated healing monk would fall before an aftershock warrior. Heard they can keep an enemy down for 6 seconds straight. That must be hard to recover from.

Smiting monk... still working on that one. Rarely see them, but I know not to attack them, duh.

Regardless I fine it way too easy to farm as a warrior. And that's just dandy.

Drakron · Jul 15, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

A bit silly.

My record of wins was with a warrior, sure it was in the ascalon arena but a warrior is not useless, certainly not at early stages

Who cares about spellcasters power if they just sit in their ass and a hammer warrior will have the spellcasters knocked out.

Big Fat Duck · Jul 15, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57

warriors are useless in pvp sirs

no one attacks them first so their "tanking" is out of the question
they do low damage comparatively to casters
all their little weapon skills can be countered so well, mend ailment
there are tons of skills out there that give health when someone gets attacked physically
blinding and ward against melee makes them useless

all of the warriors i have on my team in comp arenas are f'in W/Mo newbs who just cast mending or some other enchantment and use sever artery and gash ... whoaaa the originality